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Title: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 22, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
I have a 13 year old male maxi, and the last few weeks have been very stressful, as he has had a bacterial gut infection,
the first medication I was given I put it on his food or a walnut, but do not think he was getting enough of it as he went poorly again, so the vet gave me two types of medication and said it must go straight into his mouth twice a day, so with the help of my daughter we have managed to do this for just over a week and he is back to normal, we now have to finish the meds just once a day,

Has anyone here had this??? I was wondering if it might come back, I have sterilized with Milton, all his dishes perches and given his cage a good scrub.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: Dartman on September 22, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
I haven't had that one with either of my Maxi's but sounds ugly but at least he's getting better. Could have picked up something from his food, ate something he shouldn't have, or who knows.
Nerd bird had a couple of issues later in his life with us and luckily he was fairly easy to get meds into and until the last problem when he was 31 he always bounced right back. I dread ever having to give Lurch anything as it would probably be a epic battle and I'd have bloody stumps for hands as he's much bigger and faster then Nerd was.
I think now that he's getting better just complete the meds and keep an eye on him for a while and ask the vet what could have caused it so you can double check things he might have gotten into but I think sometimes they just catch or get something just like we do.
Good luck with your Fid and post some pics, we love pics and stories.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: maxsmom on September 22, 2013, 04:06:11 PM
Hi sorry to hear your Maxi is ill. Did the vet give you the cause?  Wishing your Maxi well...sorry I have no info on this ailment.

Welcome to the Pionus Parrot Forum
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 23, 2013, 12:41:50 AM
Thanks for all the replies, at the moment he has just had his last dose,
he is looking and acting as he use to, so am really hoping we have 'cracked' it,

will put pics on here later, do you have to get them in Photobucket or the like, to get the link on here, ??
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 23, 2013, 12:43:37 AM
Think I have done it,
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: maxsmom on September 23, 2013, 02:23:31 AM
Glad he is better. So lucky to have you. Handsome one. Impressed on how you loaded photos as I am not good at it.  Dartman keeps trying to coavh me on loading photos
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: Dartman on September 23, 2013, 04:37:38 PM
Handsome fellow you have there and I certainly recognize Maxi attitude with that head fluff, go ahead... touch me... :biglaughing:
Great that he seems better and he certainly looks happy and healthy. Nice shots too and do share more Widget stories. What did you use to get your shots in here? I use IRFanveiw with the resize function and it works great for me and is free.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 23, 2013, 09:39:25 PM
Glad your little guy is better, he sure is a handsome fellow!  I always wonder if I am washing the perches often enough, and if others wash their hands well enough before touching the birds.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 24, 2013, 12:12:08 AM
I think the same as you momazon, when I found out it was bacterial, I sterilized and scrubbed all his cage perches and dishes, I now have bacterial hand wash, am so scared it will come back,

I also have had a 'funny' tummy/sickly feeling, went to Docs and he said it could be some virus, told him about Widget and he said it could be transferred, so now I am on antibiotics, 

what a pair we are!!!!!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: maxsmom on September 24, 2013, 01:46:47 AM
Hope you feel better
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 24, 2013, 11:03:32 AM
Thanks, we are both feeling better today, just hope it last's.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 24, 2013, 01:01:09 PM
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: maxsmom on September 25, 2013, 02:21:28 AM
So the vet didn't say cause? Food left out too long? Did vet say anything about using unpasteurized vinegar in water to prevent? Great if you had some guidance to prevent it again.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 25, 2013, 02:48:31 AM
All the vet said was it was not salmonella or any nasty things, no psittacosis, she said it could have come from anywhere, your brain just goes overboard, I'm thinking is it anything I brought in from the garden, or any food which might not have been washed or treated properly,
I now have bacterial handwash and spray all his cage and area with a bacterial spray, wash all fruit,

he was fine yesterday and so far today he is normal, 
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 25, 2013, 12:16:03 PM
There is a product caled Benebac, which is probiotics. A rehomed bird we loved dearly came to us using it.  He was big and healthy, and we began using it with all ours. You can get it at the large pet stores, and online, for sure. I put it on fresh food or water.

The antibacterial soaps have the problem of superbacteria developing.  I use 6% vinegar to clean, and Benebac once a week, and try to keep the food changed often.  Mine tend to roost of food cups, for some reason, so there is poo in the pellets and seed every morning. Drives me nuts.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 25, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
Never heard of that momazon, have found this on Amazon UK site, is that what you mean.
might be worth a try


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bene-bac-Powder-Birds-4-5oz/dp/B0002ASS3E/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1380137902&sr=8-8&keywords=benebac (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bene-bac-Powder-Birds-4-5oz/dp/B0002ASS3E/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1380137902&sr=8-8&keywords=benebac)
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 25, 2013, 02:17:00 PM
Yes, it looks the same, except the stuff I get is in little plastic vials with a twist tab at the top to open, and it is liquid.  The powder may have a longer shelf life.  My birds will not drink water with ACV in it, so I filter the tap water in a pitcher filter (all I can afford).  I think probiotics are very helpful in building the immune system, as are pesticide and herbicide free produce. 

Am trying to grow lettuce indoors in my sunniest window.  Living in the north, near the Canadian border, I am not sure if it will work, but plan to keep trying.  Also just found out you can sprout things like carrots if there is just a little sprout left of the stem.  After cutting the carrot, the top will resprout if placed in a dish of water.  Also have a horseradish root, lemon grass, and celery root resprouting.  Our Maxi loves to fly to the windowsill and chew them down. In a few days I will put them in flowerpots and see if they produce enough winter greens to keep everybirdy busy!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 26, 2013, 12:23:19 AM
I have been giving Widget this Avipro, which I think is the UK same as your one, the details look similar.
 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vetark-Professional-Avipro-100-g/dp/B004FGAV4A/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1380179925&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=avripro (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vetark-Professional-Avipro-100-g/dp/B004FGAV4A/ref=sr_1_sc_1?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1380179925&sr=1-1-spell&keywords=avripro)

sorry these links are so long,

sounds good growing veg indoors, mine like celery and carrots, also his favorite is sugar snap peas,
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 26, 2013, 12:28:07 PM
Well, it does sound very similar.  Maybe it is just one of those times that seem to come from nowhere.  Glad he's back to normal.  I bet he stays that way if this has never happened before.

Mine love all crunchy veg and fruits, especially snap peas and corn.  Apparently now about half of the sweet corn has the pesticide engineered in the seed, so insects do not eat it.  Have been reading  about it being unhealthy for anyone to eat. Now I am looking for organic corn seeds to try to plant my own.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 27, 2013, 12:32:37 AM
Funny you should say that about sweetcorn, thinking back, all this might have started when fresh corn on the cobs came into our shops, Widget loves these, I just us to wrap in kitchen paper and put in microwave for a very short time,  but once or twice I did notice he was a bit sick, regurgitated it,
wonder if that was the start of all this, have not given him any since.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: Cetan on September 27, 2013, 07:17:24 PM
I am glad he is better. my boys love fresh corn but I do boil it about 5 minutes before feeding it to them to 'sterilize' it
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 28, 2013, 12:27:11 AM
He is getting on fine, still not quite back to how he was, but he did go through a awful lot in the last 4 weeks, and it will be a week on Monday since his last medication, so am really hoping for the best.

Still thinking about sweetcorn, he use to like it a bit hard, so I only gave it a few minutes in the microwave, have decided he is not having it at all now, better safe than sorry!!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 28, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Keep us posted, this forum is a great source of information for me even when slow!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 29, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
So far so good, both him and me are feeling better,
but have been doing a bit of 'research' as to what you said about sweetcorn, am nearly convinced that could have been the problem, read this,

http://www.nongmoproject.org/2012/08/29/gmo-sweet-corn-anything-but-sweet/ (http://www.nongmoproject.org/2012/08/29/gmo-sweet-corn-anything-but-sweet/)

Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: Dartman on September 29, 2013, 01:17:02 PM
Nerd bird loved corn on the cob cooked but he left us in 2009 and Lurch hasn't ate a lot of it since he got here, neither have we.
I spose if you have a garden space you could always grow your own, we used to and sometimes we got nice ears of corn to eat.
Nerd got a upset stomach once from eating way too many raw pumpkin seeds when we were cleaning them out to carves and saving the seeds to dry so he'd have them for food and treats but I don't think it stayed with him as he was pretty quiet and upset looking for a few hours like a 2 year old with a bad stomach then he seemed normal again.
It's pretty upsetting that just decide to foist this crap on consumers without telling us because it's better for THEIR bottom line. The same companies actively patent then sue anyone growing their engineered plants if they didn't get a license, and many times the stuff cross pollinates and gets into other farmers fields without them knowing about it.
Anyways hope you both stay well and now I have one more thing to watch out for... :shocking:
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on September 29, 2013, 01:57:15 PM
I've been reading more, too :(  Apparently all canola and sugar beets (not cane sugar) Hawaiian papayas, nearly all soy, and much of our corn has Roundup in the genes. Damn.

 Guess the effort of growing the garden is worth it, as long as the seed is an heirloom variety, or marked organic.
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on September 30, 2013, 12:43:39 AM
That is frightening, so what is safe,
think all green veg might be alright, am now wondering about brussels sprouts, mine loves these and likes them raw, don't think he will be getting them raw any more,
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: momazon on October 02, 2013, 07:17:40 PM
I am just eliminating those foods,just one more thing I can do to make them healthy.  Will probably be good for me, too!
Title: Re: Bacterial gut infection
Post by: widgetwilk on October 03, 2013, 12:37:35 AM
This GM foods is a worry for us, as most birds like stuff hard and raw,
at the moment Widget is just on apples, pomegranate, sugersnap peas, and he loves cooked pasta so I put frozen sweetcorn and peas in that. He has never been a great fruit eater, prefers more veg,