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Title: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on October 05, 2013, 10:20:30 AM
Charlie is up to 270 grams! He was around 250 when I adopted him 11 months ago. Apparently he is getting enough food just wish more of it were veggies. Going to keep trying. His annual exam is next month so will be able to compare his progress since last year. 9 year maxi/cb male

Max is at 185 grams - 18 month wcp male.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Jan on October 05, 2013, 12:21:39 PM
Wow, Charlie! You're going strong! Max, could really stand a bit more weight but those WC's are often along that weight range.
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Post by: maxsmom on October 05, 2013, 01:28:37 PM
Yes wc are smaller. He has gained 15 grams in a year. Not worried about Max's weight...healthy and active. He is in normal range.
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Post by: maxsmom on October 05, 2013, 01:50:51 PM
And small size doesn't stop Max from being a bully. He wants me too himself.....he is hormonal.
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Post by: Dartman on October 05, 2013, 04:03:29 PM
Nerd was around 214 his whole life and was pretty small and skinny for a Maxi but that never stopped him either.
Lurch has been 250 the two times I managed to get him to sit still on the scale so far and is a big boy compared to what Nerd was.
I think as long as they're happy, eating, and active there can be quite a range just like people. Now if they suddenly drop weight there is probably a problem.
270 sounds on the really big boy side :shades:
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on October 05, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
He really doesn't look big to me so 270 is shocking.....given I am being really pushy about veggies and  he hardly eats them...the weight is surprising

You are right as long as happy and healthy then weight isn't a concern

Adam and Eloy are the really big pi on this forum
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Post by: momazon on October 06, 2013, 05:47:45 PM
Wish Dobby would beef up...he might slow down and quit buzzing around making mischief   >:D
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Post by: maxsmom on October 06, 2013, 11:06:37 PM
So what is Dobby's weigh in? It seems these are days for mischief.....hormones.....
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Post by: Cetan on October 20, 2013, 02:21:26 PM
My boys were weighed last month. Chante is 241 gr (up just a little from 238 when I got him last Nov) - but talk about big boys Adam is now 312 gr ! Chante is a bronze wing and Adam a blue head
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Post by: maxsmom on October 20, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Adam and Eloy are the two pi kings with their sizes
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Post by: momazon on October 21, 2013, 12:37:34 AM
I want to say Dob's weight was under 250 last time at the vet, and I have not unpacked my scale here yet, so I am not sure.
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Post by: maxsmom on November 23, 2013, 11:45:10 AM
Back from avian vet today....Charlie is 271 and Max is 191.....so they both are eating.....and keeping stable weight. 
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on July 07, 2014, 01:15:37 PM
Boys got their nails clipped at vet today. Charlie is 304! Max is 199!

I thought Charlie may have lost weight because he is eating fresh food....but he is almost 40 grams heavier. He eats Bird Bannock bread (very healthy ingredients from Avian Organics) for motivation so perhaps that is cause for gain.  He eats a lot but I didn't think that much. A technician clipped his nails but I will check with vet on if weight gain is healthy.

Max is almost 200 which makes me happy. He is small so I am glad he gained a little. He was about 170 when I got him 2 years ago.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: E on July 08, 2014, 11:19:06 AM
Nice Maxsmom! :-)
Yes the bread is not good if you want loose gain, but 300 gr isn't that much?
And if he eat a lot of veggies and fruit he also have a lot of water in his body, and water is weight too.

Eloy is now 350 gr, and that weight he had for almost 5 month now so I think he had reach his limits. He is also very tall, over 30 cm.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on July 08, 2014, 02:49:46 PM
You know, I used to think Raven was "average" for a Bronze Winged male, but I think maybe he's a little guy (with a big attitude).

When he eats yams or veggies which tend to hold water, he gets heavier, but I know his "true" weight now from the hectic week we moved when he only got pellets, (and some regular vegetable days he's still light, and been like this for months) at 218. The vet scale says 214.

BUT... When I feel him, every time, his breast muscle is plump and as large as I think would be normal for a clipped bird.

 :dunno:
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on July 08, 2014, 02:51:18 PM
Maxsmom, I'm glad to hear Max has beefed up a little! Sounds good. Maybe Raven will still fill in over the next couple years like Max. I thought they were done before a year, but maybe not?
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on July 08, 2014, 09:34:24 PM
I think Rsven is pretty young and still growing. He sounds like a healthy weight based on your physical exam.of him.

White caps and duskys are smaller pi so I am not worried about my Max.

I sure hope the vet doesnt tell me Charlie is too heavy. He has gained a lot in a short while but I am not good like Julie in checking breast to know if weight is healthy.  Bird bread is based on quinoa grains and it is the secret to my relationship with Charlie. He does things to have a piece of bread.. it is chuck.full of healthy stuff so I hope vet is ok with Charlie's weight.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on August 02, 2014, 07:09:56 AM
Charlie is 315! He was 304 one month ago and 268 6 months ago. Vet said Charlie was healthy though. Just a big boy. He has been eating fresh food for last 6 months so that is probably the reason. Honestly he eats a lot though....

I will keep an eye on his weight
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on August 02, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
It's so tricky keeping tabs on weight in birds who tend to fluctuate. Next time I take Raven to get his "nose picked" from the left over dries crud that keeps coming down from his sinuses from the past infection, I'll as my vet then, as I have Pionus questions as to what's TOO much protein. Harrison's lifetime ok for Pi's?

Anyway, I think Raven is very light. He will be 1 year old at the end of this month (already!)

He WAS more or less around 228-235 at first, and kept going down. Now, thankfully he hasn't gone down farther than 215, and pretty much is holding at that.
He won't let me touch him enough to check the abdomen below the breast where they get the fat pocket, but it looks like it sticks out just a little? Maybe it's just the way the feathers lay. I'm curious if he's light, yet has a fat pocket.

I've read that Bronze Winged are AT LEAST 215 (but more the females) and average is 230-240. So since it sounds like Max didn't gain weight until he was a bit older than Raven, I guess I'll wait and see if he fills out as he matures. I was just always under the impression they attain full weight by around a year old.  :dunno:
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Dartman on August 02, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
Well like I and others have said the range can vary quite a bit. Nerd was ALWAYS very skinny and small, his keel bone was very sharp and we could tell when he was doing good because his lower beak area would feel a bit plumper when he was doing his best. He was always running around, playing, and just very active, and he ate good, just always a runt. The vet was worried then finally decided he was just a skinny version after he never changed and tests were always good.
Our vet would just plunk him in a brown paper bag and close the top to weigh him and it worked well enough and he never got hurt. I think as soon as it closed and got dark he tended to stay still and depend on the bag and person holding it.
At home I could generally get him to sit on the scale long enough to get accurate readings.
With Lurch it's a matter of luck as to whether he'll stand on the scale covered with a towel long enough and he's always 250 and feels the same as always when climbing around on me. His keel is nice and plump though I don't try to touch it too much as if he gets frustrated or upset about getting poked he'll lash out though he's letting me do more and more without biting or getting upset.
Just keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn't suddenly drop a lot of weight fast.
When Nerd finally got sick the last time we at first thought he was just having a couple of bad days and would bounce back like he always did.
When he couldn't make the short hop from the couch to his cage I realized he was really sick and noticed he felt really light. He was 191g the vet said and very weak :'(
He hung on for a couple of weeks but age and whatever it was caught up with him even with us and the vet doing what we could.
Just keep an eye on him and keep track. You know what is normal for him at this point and I think he'll be fine. :)
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: momazon on August 02, 2014, 12:28:53 PM

Our vet would just plunk him in a brown paper bag and close the top to weigh him and it worked well enough and he never got hurt. I think as soon as it closed and got dark he tended to stay still and depend on the bag and person holding it.


 :biglaughing:
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on August 02, 2014, 12:44:38 PM
The brown paper bag got me laughing too! At first I was imagining a lunch sized bag, then I thought oh maybe it was a bigger bag haha.

My 20 year old Red Bellied has always been a runt too lol. He has never flown, so his breast muscle has never been large. Same with Raven, I was thinking that's why he's a bit thinner in the muscle now since he has to be clipped for now for safety reasons. My vet says that's a myth, but I think it makes sense.
 Even though Griffin is a baby, he's small too. He's significantly smaller than another a ruppell's baby I know of. Maybe same with Raven? His older brother (Nancy's Chante) is an average BW male size  :).  Since Raven is a year old, if he doesn't til in by 2, I'll just consider him a runt like my other boys lol. Oh, and one of my Budgies is super small too haha. My first bird ever (Gouldian Finch) was a small guy for his species. What's up with this?! I have all small birds! Healthy and long lived though.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Dartman on August 02, 2014, 01:27:01 PM
The first time Nerd met the Young lady who specialized in Pionus, or at least knew more about them we brought his whole cage in as we didn't have a carrier yet. She of course tried to reach in and he was pissed and bit her pretty good so I shooed her outa the way and he of course latched onto me really good too :shocking: She said oh don't get bit and I said it's not OK if he bites you but he's my bird so he can bite me.
He then scampered up to my shoulder and hid behind my neck once she was done with him and he was good after that. :biglaughing:
The last time he came in she remembered him as being a sweet bird so she must have forgotten or forgiven the bite as part of the process and remembered him hiding on daddies shoulder.
She at the first meeting also said the worst parrot bite she got was when she was a student learning and tried to handle a Maxi like Nerd. She did have a little scar under her right thumb where he'd got her too.
She was genuinely worried and concerned for him and they sent me a nice card when they learned he had passed. :hugs: 
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Cetan on August 03, 2014, 07:35:12 AM
A friend in SC has many wild caught older special needs macaws that she has taken in and some are still quite wild, her vet is an excellent experienced avian vet and she once posted this picture of her vet weighing one of her macaws
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Post by: maxsmom on August 03, 2014, 09:48:28 AM
Charlie is skittish.....wish it were easy to weigh him at home.....hard enough at vet
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Post by: Dartman on August 03, 2014, 10:18:27 AM
That's how they weighed Nerd right there :wink1: Love the tail tip sticking outa the bag :biglaughing: Of course Nerds bag was smaller :shades:
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Post by: momazon on August 03, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
Well, I can't wait to get The Dob in a bag and put him on the scale!  Mine are murder to weigh. 

One of the reasons I love this forum is I learn so much.  Another reason is I get more laughs here than anywhere else!
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Dartman on August 03, 2014, 12:52:52 PM
Just tried the nice looking scale I bought years ago with Lurch. When it was sitting on his cage it said he was close to 400 grams, when I put it on the table for a stable accurate read it said 140, and that was making sure it was zeroed and reading grams.
It used to be quite accurate but now I think it's sat around too long with various table things piles on it so no good anymore :(
Anyone recommend another cheap and easily found scale that actually works as if he was 140 he'd be skin and bones and dead, and 400 seems like uber heavy even though he's a big boy. Petco has a nice dedicated one with perches but it's like 90 bucks and Lurch will stand on a scale with a towel and some treats to encourage him so probably just get another good, but cheap, kitchen scale. He usually weighs 250 so unless he's been pigging out lately I'd bet he's still close to that.
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Post by: Julie T on August 03, 2014, 03:18:05 PM
I wouldn't go with too cheap of a kitchen scale... I went the cheapo route and got one at Target. Actually it wasn't that cheap, it was $20. The problem is, although you can set it for grams, it's not too accurate for very small weights.

For example of what my scale does, Raven weighs 215 at the vet's when he's at his lowest. Same day on my scale that would be 218. The next jump my scale will ever show is 221. It will never register any number 'between' 218 and 221. Same thing happens for the Poi's. I can get a general idea of gain or loss with my scale, but as far as what exactly they weigh, it can't tell me.
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Post by: Dartman on August 03, 2014, 03:45:37 PM
Yeah, the one I have was on a deal site cheap, has a really nice wood cutting block type of removable surface and used to be very accurate and consistent so even if it wasn't perfect it would always say the same weight twice.
Pretty sure leaving all the stuff on it has stretched the springs as now it won't read low weight at all and is under by about 100 grams on Lurch. I used to have a lab grade scale but it only read grams and at that point Nerd was young and fine and I was trying to weigh food and meat with it. Got frustrated and sold it cheap after getting tired of trying to convert from grams to oz and lb all the time. After I got rid of it as cheap as I bought it I figured out it would have been great for weighing Nerd.
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Post by: Julie T on August 03, 2014, 11:55:05 PM
That's how they weighed Nerd right there :wink1: Love the tail tip sticking outa the bag :biglaughing: Of course Nerds bag was smaller :shades:

That pic is funny, the tail sticking out  :icon_mrgreen: Nerd's bag was smaller haha.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on August 30, 2014, 03:27:09 AM
Agree bread can't be good for anyone needing to lose weight. Luckily vet wasn't stressed about Charlie's gain. I rather his weight up with him eating pellets as half of diet only.   Bird bread made with Kamut flour and chuck full of quionoa, etc....so it it somewhat healthy....Charlie's weight gain dates back to increased fresh veggies/fruit so I will watch him but not be too concerned.  He has quite the appetite and eats a lot.

Eloy is a big boy!

Nice Maxsmom! :-)
Yes the bread is not good if you want loose gain, but 300 gr isn't that much?
And if he eat a lot of veggies and fruit he also have a lot of water in his body, and water is weight too.

Eloy is now 350 gr, and that weight he had for almost 5 month now so I think he had reach his limits. He is also very tall, over 30 cm.
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Post by: maxsmom on August 30, 2014, 03:28:43 AM
Wish Dobby would beef up...he might slow down and quit buzzing around making mischief   >:D
Max is like Dobby.....uses a lot of energy with his antics
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on August 30, 2014, 03:31:57 AM
Julie, I definitely would not worry about Raven 's weight. Small doesn't mean unhealthy.  Max is small too.

And congratulations on +450 posts to you and Momazon
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Post by: Julie T on August 30, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
Thanks :icon_mrgreen:
Raven doesn't "feel" skinny, so I won't worry. I guess he's just like all my other birds... Small for their species  :)

I wonder if Raven was the runt of the clutch lol? It just made me curious since Nancy's Chante is his older brother and is average male size. Raven's clutch mate brother looked visually bigger too in pics. I picked Raven because his brother seemed markedly more skittish and wild... but now I come to find out Raven isn't all that crazy about me and doesn't like to be handled by me anyway :(. He only LOVES dad. But dad doesn't take care of the birds... He only plays with them haha.
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Post by: maxsmom on August 30, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
Tough when they do not choose their caretaker. :-(  They have minds of their own.

Max is a little guy and is really pushy.  He is named after main character in movie Gladiator. ..well he takes his name to heart
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Post by: Julie T on August 30, 2014, 05:26:36 PM
Tough when they do not choose their caretaker. :-(  They have minds of their own.

Max is a little guy and is really pushy.  He is named after main character in movie Gladiator. ..well he takes his name to heart

Oh well, I love him anyway :)

I haven't seen Gladiator... Maximus must have been Russell Crowe?  They absolutely all have their unique personalities!
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Post by: maxsmom on August 31, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
Yes, Russell Crowe was Maximus. The greatest is the meaning. Max's attitude lives up to name.....he can be full of himself. He is fearless. He is a bully. He is cranky. He is lovable. Very lovable
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Post by: maxsmom on November 22, 2014, 07:01:23 PM
So Charlie's annual exam was today. He weighed in at 301. His high weight was 314 this summer. The vet said Charlie is a bit chunky after feeling around Charlie's breast. I am not surprised....Charlie eats a lot and I indulge him when he requests treats. It is how we bond as he is mostly hands off. The vet told me that Charlie  has me trained well. I will try cutting back. I do let him eat a lot of bird bread....he is addicted to the bird bread made from kamut flour and quinoa. The vet will let me know Charlie's lab results to help guide me on if I need to cut back on quinoa, egg and other sources of protein as his pellets have 15% protein.  But I know that Charlie gets too much bird bread already.  When our supply temporarily ran out for a couple of months his weight dropped from 314 to 290. Guilty as charged for over indulging my Charlie.

So those of you concerned about if you pionus is big enough you may want to just concentrate on healthy weight. There is such a thing as too big.

Max is 200 grams. WC can get up to 220 according to my vet. But Max is very healthy and I am not going to try to get him to gain more. The vet was pleased with his weight.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on November 22, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
Okay, I'll remember not to focus on getting Raven to get bigger and bigger lol.
I know the Maxi are generally larger, but how about the Coral billed since Charlie is both. Are the CB a large bird? I know it's hard to cut back when they beg or ask for treats :(. If he became 290 with no birdie bread for a couple months, then you know it's got to be that! :icon_mrgreen:

Raven doesn't really have that big of an appetite. I mean, it's normal for him, so as you know I'm more concerned about him dropping weight. He does eat a lot of Harrison's lifetime formula, but that isn't a weight gaining food. Maybe I should get some bird bread! All my guys are small. I think they all have small frames for their species.
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: maxsmom on November 22, 2014, 09:58:31 PM
Coral Bill are on larger side. I am going to see if I can get him to drop 10 grams. The vet essentially said Charlie had two breasts on his chest and he should not. Arghh my little man has breasts! Anyway it is a sign I should cut back. I would never admit to the vet how much bird bread I give to Charlie.

I highly recommend Avian Organics bird bread.  High quality and healthy ingredients. I would ask your vet next time if weight feels normal based on physical exam. Just keep offering a variety of healthy foods....your birdies may find something they want to eat a lot.

Maximus is on small size but I do not worry because on physical exam his muscles etc feel good to vet. He doesn't have 2 breasts!!!!!
Title: Re: weigh in!
Post by: Julie T on November 22, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
Awww Charlie! The way you said it made me LOL!!  :biglaughing:

Yes, I'd agree "breasts" are a sign to cut back  :embarressed:

Avian Organics. I'll keep that in mind for bread. A few weeks ago the vet thought Raven felt fine. He said 'oh, 227g good weight'... I thought hmm the other BW males I read about are 240ish. But from what you and other members say, Pionus seem to grow until 2 years old.
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Post by: momazon on November 22, 2014, 11:36:57 PM
Moobs, Man Boobs, are the sure sign of a diet to come!  :AvatarSmileyLOL:

Seriously, a healthy, consistent weight is what we all try for, good on you for being a concerned parront!
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Post by: maxsmom on November 23, 2014, 05:01:13 AM
227 grams sound respectable :-).

Charlie's owner needs to lose some weight so perhaps we will both get on treadmill!

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Post by: Julie T on November 23, 2014, 11:52:49 AM
That's a very cute image in my mind of Charlie on a tiny treadmill!  :icon_mrgreen:
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Post by: maxsmom on November 23, 2014, 12:02:07 PM
I used to have a treadmill and my tiels loved to sit in the bars whIle I was on it. When the treadmill was off they were known to get on the tread and walk around. :biglaughing:
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Post by: Julie T on November 23, 2014, 01:56:13 PM
How cute  :). I could imagine you (a person) on the treadmill with Charlie on your shoulder eating a chunk of birdie bread... :biglaughing: :wink1:
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Post by: momazon on November 23, 2014, 02:34:51 PM
Mine also love to ride on my shoulders while I walk the treadmill, with the tv on. Guess it feels like we are going somewhere.